Defining marriage - Why?

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By MobyWho

Straight marriage; Gay marriage - is one the only one?

In 2009, "Write-On" wrote a Hub quoting a written discussion between identical twins; one gay, one straight. It didn't come to a conclusion; just illustrated the straight one's belief that gayness is a choice. Pages of animated comments ensued defending both opinions - and they were just that: Opinions. My comment became so long, I chose to present it as a separate Hub entitled "Defining Marriage: Why?"

To "Write On" I comment: Great Hub. Fascinating, but not convincing. This topic will always be riddled with "I think", "religions teach", "people voted" - Face it, few have facts on their side. Several commenters mentioned their own studies and academic credentials - with opposing viewpoints.

Our beliefs are based on human interpretation of laws and 'rights' written down by a group of Founding Fathers who set themselves up as arbiters of a working government. Yes, they did a good job, and yes, they did give a nice basis from which to proceed, but even they were divided on several finer points. We can only speculate what they would think now. You can guess, but do you know?

Source: Dreamstime ©Dana Rothstein

Who decides?

Why should any church be involved in this at all? Let their followers say what they believe - even though many are living with guilt because they do not practice what their church preaches about contraception, chastity, adultery, sloth, thievery, etc. But that's OK; they have confession or prayer for forgiveness. Clean slate tomorrow.**note below

I know some say that defining marriage as a union between a man and a women is important for keeping the family unit as a basis for our society as a whole. Others say marriage is a union whereby one partner can beat up on the other, cheat on them, walk out leaving children behind, enslave their spouse and be free from having the injured party testify against them.

To those who live by the old standard, I say, "Bravo! It is wonderful that you two have had a long and blessed life together. Rejoice in it. It was mutual love that raised such perfect children. It was strong conviction that enabled you to stand by a drugged, abusive husband who beat the kids and kicked the dog. Is that "marriage"?

**note: Since publishing that paragraph, I realized that many who commit these "sins" are sick and the patience clergy and other healers are giving them in an effort to heal are vitally important. It's the ones that know better, have the ability to control their behavior, yet still stray because forgiveness is so easy that I feel have abused the privilege, to the detriment of the whole country.

Few countries take this position.

The fact that our country is one of the few so torn by semantics is ridiculous. "Marriage" - it's just a word. You define it your way, I'll define it mine. Don't make a national cause out of it as long as the "consenting adults" are treated the same as those in a heterosexual marriage in terms of legality, taxation, privileges, employment, insurance, etc.

Politicians today are using, yes, USING this topic so they can be passionate orators and energize their targeted Base. Don't be a pawn to their grandstanding. They are playing on guilt; playing on any doubts you may have about sexuality. Their strategists are pushing this issue. Disgusting amounts of money are pouring in from Super PACs; money that could be better spent on creating jobs repairing our infrastructure; research for various diseases; relief for natural disasters.

Since the dark ages, some people used fear to repress others of divergent views. In their zeal to convince they misquote history or submit interpretations of a higher power (lay or cleric). We have judges to interpret the Constitution, yet they frequently differ; hence a "dissenting opinion".

I guess the whole topic can be summed up in two words: Who Says?

The Pros and Cons - Your list

Try this: make your own list of pros and cons about gay marriage. Be sure to include those gay families who have raised well-adjusted children. You must know a few. If not, get out there and meet some. Be sure to list a few of your heterosexual friends who aren't quite pure as snow. Be honest with yourself. You don't have to love gays, but you do have to admit they are not to be feared.

Where do Hub readers stand?

What does marriage mean to you?

  • A state sanctioned legal union between one man and one woman
  • A state sanctioned legal union between two adults regardless of gender
  • a church sanctioned union between one man and one woman
  • a church sanctioned union between two adults regardless of gender
  • a union sanctioned by both church and state between one man and one woman
  • a union sanctioned by both church and state between two adults regardless of gender
See results without voting

Comments

C Philbrick 3 months ago

My thoughts on the subject have little or nothing to do with my bringing up or education. Unquestionably I held "Qays" in disdain because of their physical differences to what I considered normal. My attitude today probably still reflects many of my inner feelings of old and will probably remain that way. This does not mean I think that they don't have the right to the same privleges of so called "straights." This is a union that they believe in and so be it.

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MobyWho Hub Author 3 months ago

Thanks for taking the time to comment. I think you probably meant "Gays" - and so be that. Old feelings die hard, but I'm glad you accept people for who they are today.

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PatriciaFlorio 2 months ago

Hi Gail,

I live in a diverse community in Ocean Grove, meaning my next door neighbors are a gay couple with a set of twins. I've lived next door to them for 13 years. They are some of the best friends I'd have in my life. I want them and their children to be able to have what I have as a wife and mother, be it health benefits, entitled rights, domestic partnership, and if they wanted to get married, I would hope that they could get married.

Patricia Florio

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MobyWho Hub Author 2 months ago

Thanks Patricia for your input. It is so cruel that people don't recognize what constitutes a loving home and family. They pull what they want out of the Bible and twist it to fit their agenda. Give me any couple or individual (gay or straight) who provides a safe home for a child or children and I'll tell you that's what I say God says. I can interpret God as well as the next man/woman.

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tirelesstraveler Level 7 Commenter 7 weeks ago

My interactions with gays has been that they are people.

Studying to become a speech pathologist I believed semantics was silly parsing of words. Aging I have found that words are intensely powerful. I have heard it takes 8 positive words to undo 1 negative word.

The battle for marriage in California has been intense and ugly. If you are for traditional marriage you will be called names. If you are not for traditional marriage you are the hero.

You are opening a whole kettle of worms when you redefine marriage. I frequently wonder what my friend will tell her three little girls when they ask who their daddy is? Sperm donor #9022? The studies on children born of artificial insemination are coming in; these, now, young adults are having to deal with issues like "Who can I marry"? Is this person that I am attracted to my brother or sister?

In the future will paternity tests be mandatory for marriage to avoid unsuspected incest?

Interesting Hub thanks for your opinion,

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Chris Hugh Level 4 Commenter 3 weeks ago

Interesting mix of perspectives in the comments and they are polite and well reasoned, which is great. People can have different views and it doesn't mean that any of them are evil! :)

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MobyWho Hub Author 3 weeks ago

@tirelesstraveler - "kettle of worms when you redefine marriage"- agreed. The question is "why define marriage?" If two people are in agreement as to what their relationship is, why is it necessary to give it a definition other than to deny them certain civil rights?

@Chris Hugh - Love your comment re "polite and well reasoned". I think all the comments here held to that standard. Too bad it isn't universal.

Thanks everyone for your opinions, and will still welcome more!

Moving to the lighter side, who remembers the song "I'm my own Grampa"? Maybe 40-40 years ago?

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